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占星笔记——古典占星中界主(term ruler)的运用【转】

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转自:http://www.douban.com/note/170554378/ 这次的日记讲以往写的日记里关于界主的应用整合起来,并添加一些新的内容。 一、什么是界主,先从图看一些感性认识吧,一个星座30度,不是30度都相同的,界主就是30度里用以区分的星体运作在相同星座不同区域的
转自:http://www.douban.com/note/170554378/
这次的日记讲以往写的日记里关于界主的应用整合起来,并添加一些新的内容。

一、什么是界主,先从图看一些感性认识吧,一个星座30度,不是30度都相同的,界主就是30度里用以区分的星体运作在相同星座不同区域的利器。
另外界主在本文有term ruler,bound lord,confine,limits等不同英文说法,请阅读英文原文时注意。

二、简单的讲,界主就是形容词描述一个星体,宫主(庙主)就是提供星体处置的对象,界主在宫主星和宫内星的互动主起到卓越的影响。
例如金星落土星界,主盘主的婚姻痛苦,盘主的母亲在与父亲的交互中痛苦或者勤俭持家等等,或者盘主与年长的女性交往,或者不喜欢与人交往等等等。
而金星落土星宫(土星入庙星座),主与年长的人交往、结婚。
下面把我写过日记中,提到的界主运用整理,并增加一些新的的内容。

三、以金星水瓶、摩羯为例解释宫内星与宫主星、界主星的互动关系
1、古典占星对金星落星座的描述不是说金星落摩羯,就喜欢“摩羯式的”人,金星水瓶就喜欢“水瓶式的”人,而是完全不同的概念。

2、以金星摩羯、金星水瓶为例,其宫主为土星,土星作为金星所落星座的“宫主”负有招待金星的义务,这个义务就是提供它征象的事宜和人物给金星“处置”、”处理“,金星的关键词有“Intercourse”、“unify”等等。
因此,金星落土星作为宫主的摩羯座、水瓶座,不是指喜欢“摩羯式的”、”水瓶式的“人物,而是指Intercourse with"土星征象的人物“,即与年长的人、老人、大叔、大妈、地位低下的人、年长的权威、长官、上司之类的人交往、结婚、性交等等。
金星落处女、双子,则主与水星征象的人交往,如占星师、老师、年青的大学生群体、媒体从业者、中性恋、双性恋者等等

3、而金星落土星界(即term ruler,essential dignity中的界主,是我友邻却不知道界主的,拖出去揍屁股!),则是另外一种解释。即土星作为形容词,限制作为名词的金星的特质。
金星主生育、婚姻、母亲,金星落土星界则可以主婚姻痛苦、不婚、晚婚、少子嗣、无子嗣,母亲在婚姻中的痛苦、坚忍,亦或者日常社交的冷淡、隔离,不主动加入人群等等。

4、金星落摩羯和水瓶的差异在于,摩羯座的擢升守护是火星,水瓶没有擢升守护,摩羯座是基本星座,水瓶是固定星座等等,摩羯座的三分主星是金、月、火,水瓶的则为土、水、木,这些差异会影响金星的运作。

5、以上麻烦不要单独论命,我举个例子:金星落土星宫(水瓶、摩羯)没有获得木星的关照,则主与老人、年长的人、地位低下的人交往、结婚,或者不婚,而一旦有木星参与金、土的互动关系,则主导与地位卓越的长官、BOSS、上司、权威结婚、交往(木星的大吉性,将土星的凶性缓和并且给予正面的擢升)。

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四、国外古典占星论坛精华帖子导读(不断更新)

一、Origins of the Egyptian Bounds
http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=114&start=20

I will give two examples. These are somewhat simplified translations, but the order of the delineations is preserved.

Aphroditē in the domiciles or confines of Kronos makes the natives sterile or childless; those who have intercourse with their stepmothers or the wives of their older brothers.

Arēs in the domiciles or confines of Aphroditē makes adulterers; those who ruin the wives of siblings, and many destroy their own wives; and always the native sees the death of women.

In the first example, we see that the signification of Aphroditē for children here conforms to the nature of Kronos, rendering the native childless. In the second example, we see that the lawless nature of Arēs conforms to the general signification of Aphroditē for intercourse, resulting in adulterers. I maintain that these are the delineations of the planet in the confines of the other planet.

The second group of delineations in each case concerns the planet in the domicile of the other planet. In the first example, Kronos provides stepmothers (step-parents generally being a signification of Kronos) or the wives of older brothers (again a signification of Kronos) for Aphroditē to have intercourse with. In the second case, Aphroditē provides one of its significations (wives or women) for Arēs to ruin or destroy.

点评:
1、这个帖子是卓越的希腊占星师Robert Schmidt在Actastrology论坛回答别人问题时给出的,整个帖子是关于埃及界(Egyptian Terms)讨论的,引用的这段文字他用金星在土星宫和土星界,以及火星在金星宫和火星界两个例子描述埃及界的运用。

2、Aphroditē in the domiciles or confines of Kronos makes the natives sterile or childless; those who have intercourse with their stepmothers or the wives of their older brothers.
金星在土星宫(土星的入庙星座)或者土星界(埃及界为土星)征象盘主可能不育或者孩子少(不是绝对的,泰格伍兹就是金星在土星界,其实我加一点还有很多,比如婚姻痛苦,自我隔绝);或者征象那些与年长自己很多的人交往、结婚的人。(本来说的是后母等,不过我想Schmidt指的是比自己年长的人)

3、In the first example, we see that the signification of Aphroditē for children here conforms to the nature of Kronos, rendering the native childless.
 In the first example, Kronos provides stepmothers (step-parents generally being a signification of Kronos) or the wives of older brothers (again a signification of Kronos) for Aphroditē to have intercourse with.

这点就是指出了,金星在土星宫和土星界描述上的区别。

即:金星在土星宫时,土星作为主人必须为金星提供处置的材料和素材,在以上描述中,即意味着土星提供年龄比自己大的人(土星征象)给金星交往,及与比自己年长的人交往、结婚。

而金星在土星界时,土星则作为金星的形容词,限定金星的运作,即金星的状态必须限制在土星下,即婚姻痛苦、孩子少、冷漠、隔绝(金星征象的关键词以土星形式描述)等等。

4、Aphroditē 指的是金星
  Kronos指的是土星
     Arēs指的是火星
  domiciles 指星体的庙宫
  confines指的是星体所落界主

5、Arēs in the domiciles or confines of Aphroditē makes adulterers; those who ruin the wives of siblings, and many destroy their own wives; and always the native sees the death of women.

火星在金星的庙宫或者金星的界征象通奸者、奸夫淫妇;征象诱奸、侮辱、摧毁自己和兄弟妻子的人,以及征象盘主将见证女人的死亡。

6、In the second example, we see that the lawless nature of Arēs conforms to the general signification of Aphroditē for intercourse, resulting in adulterers. I maintain that these are the delineations of the planet in the confines of the other planet.

 In the second case, Aphroditē provides one of its significations (wives or women) for Arēs to ruin or destroy.

这点指出,当火星落金星界的时候,金星讲作为火星的形容词,即产生奸夫淫妇、通奸者(火星的不道德属性将 conforms to the general signification of Aphroditē)

当火星落金星庙宫的时候,金星讲负责提供资源和素材以便火星处置,即盘主将诱奸、通奸女人,或者见证女人的死亡。

五、Origins of the Egyptian Bounds

And in this discussion above all, we must also carefully consider the notion of rulership from a Hellenistic perspective. As I said under the topic of Mitigated Aversions, it is not correct Hellenistic language to say that a planet “rules” a planet residing in its domicile. It is certainly the master of the domicile the other planet is in, but Hellenistic language suggests that the relationship between these two planets is one of guest and host. The master of the domicile is the host and the planet in the domicile is the guest. Now, do we want to say that a host “rules” a guest? We would normally say that the host has certain responsibilities of hospitality toward the guest.

点评:这个帖子里,卓越希腊占星学者Robert Schmidt提到,宫内星与宫主星的关系类似主宾关系,主人与宾客的互动。

Conversely, a guest has the responsibility of behaving in an appropriate manner when making a visit. I do not think it would be far off the mark to say that the guest must conform to, and be ruled by, certain canons or rules of behavior. I am suggesting that while it is inaccurate to say that a planet rules a planet in its domicile, it may very well be appropriate to say that a planet rules a planet present in its confines.
点评:提出了宫内与宫主的主宾关系,即主人对宾客负有招待的义务,而客人则相应地必须也对主人表现出相应的态度和礼仪,而这个就是界主的作用领域。

The interesting thing in the interpretation I am offering is that in the reciprocal responsibilities that belong to the guest/host relations, it is the domicile master (as host) that has responsibilities toward the guest, but the responsibilities of the guest are discharged by conforming to the rules of the lord of the confines, so the relationship is only indirectly reciprocal. But let me recall Mr. Kirkland’s remark about looking at the configuration between the master of the domicile and the lord of the confines. What might that be telling us?

If my interpretation of planets in the domiciles of other planets is correct--namely, that the domicile lord acts as a host in providing for the needs of its guest--that principle alone still does not tell us anything about how such a planet receives or accepts such hospitality, how it behaves in response. This information cannot be gotten from the domicile lord itself; it must be gleaned from some further zodiacal determination of the guest, and that is where I am trying to bring in the confines. Lacking such a principle, the delineation of planets in their zodiacal position would be incomplete.
点评:宫主在宫主星与宫内星的运作关系中,充当主人的较色,提供客人需要的资源,但是这只是单方面的,客人不可以白目地只是享受,也需要相应的表现出客人应有的态度,这就需要一个角色界主来控制了,所以我说过界主某种程度可以作为形容词的,形容和控制宫内星在主宾关系中对宫主的互动。

But since the obligation of the guest is to the host and not the lord of the confines per se, we need to relate the restrictive priniciple represented by the lofd of the confines back to the host. That is why I am emphasizing the configuration between the two. The lord of the confines may or may not be able to provide its testimony about the behavior of the guest to the host, and if it can, that testimony will depend both on the nature of the lord of the confines and the nature of the configuration.
点评:这个就提到了界主在宫主星、宫内星的互动主的角色了,就不详细说了。

There is an implication in the texts that the resources (significations) of the domicile lord are there present in the domicile and “at the disposal” of the guest. This follows from the fact that it is not necessary for the domicile lord to be in a position to actually see its domicile in order for the guest to make use of those resources, although the delineation is more prominent if it does. (This is unlike the case of a the planet allotted responsibility for the affairs of a topical place, where several texts indicate that this planet must see that place.)
点评:依然是宫主星、宫内星的互动,宫主征象的事宜人物都放在宫内,提供任何来访的星体处置,但是宫主不需要在宫里呆着。

It is because of considerations such as these that I have trouble with using the term dispositor for the domicile lord, which (to me at least) suggests that the domicile lord is arranging or executing the affairs of the guest. It would be more accurate, I believe, to understand the guest to be the dispositor of the resources of the domicile lord set “at its disposal”, not in the sense that it effects the significations of the domicile lord vicariously in the manner in which the domicile lord could do if it were in its own domicile, but simply in the sense that it acts with or upon the resources of the domicile lord and in that sense “disposes” them. (Ms. Metsovuori has been bringing this out very nicely.)
点评:宫内星是宫内资源的处置者,宫主征象人物事宜全部由宫内星处置。

六、为什么只有金、木、水、火、土的界,没有日月界?


    占星笔记——古典占星中界主(term ruler)的运用【转】



有不少解释,这里提一个。
金星的成熟时间8年
木星的成熟时间12年
水星的成熟时间20年
火星的成熟时间15年
土星的成熟时间30年
太阳的成熟时间19年
月亮的成熟时间25年

星盘360度

360能整除金、木、水、火、土的成熟时间,但是不能整除日月的成熟时间

另外太阳的成熟时间19X19=361

此外星体的最大成熟时间:
Sun-120, Moon-108, Mercury-76, Venus-82, Mars-66, Jupiter-79, and Saturn-57.

再此外:星体的界在12个星座的累加度数等于各自的最大成熟时间

例如金星82年,你去把金星在12个星座界度数累加,会得到82度的。

还有更好玩的:
360=12X土星成熟时间30年, 30X12年木星, 24X15年火星, 45X8年金星, 18X20年水星.

12+30+24+45+18=129!

129=19+25+30+12+8+15+20(星体的最小成熟时间)

关于星体的成熟时间见:
http://www.robhand.com/periods.htm

robert hand是另外一个卓越的占星学者。

七、关于界主的其他比较让你会感兴趣的说法(来源Myspace的希腊占星论坛,不过myspaces出问题了,链接没法给出)

备注:文中的Bound指界主term ruler,界主在国外有term ruler,bound lord,confine,limits的说法

so then bounds are pretty much planetary domiciles within a Zoidion ... kinda like apartments in a building or a quadruplex - a single house divided in 4 .

" i manage this place and rent it out " not sure if this is close to correct what im depicting here but it sure sounds cool .

and im assuming it works the same as like being in a full house ... that when a planet is in its own bounds its in its own " apartment " and if that zoidion happens to also be its own domicile then its like an apartment building landlord or manager living in the apartment building too ...providing for his renting tenants if there happens to be planetary conjunction in that particular Zoidion;
点评:这个年轻的希腊占星爱好者,讲界主、宫主比喻为房子的主人,房间的租户。
即宫主为房子的主人,可以住自己的房子里,也可以出租给其他人(宫内星),界相当于房子的不同房间可以出租给不同宫内星。

although if its not the domicile zoidion of the actual bound lord he can provide for the apartment but is not the landlord or administrator of the building complex . and if the landlord is away( another zoidion ) but still recieves any planet in the buidling then it can provide any maintenance or service to that tenant . If its in aversion and you have plumbing problems with your toilet then your screwed ? lol . so if any planet is renting in a bound point and is recieved by both the bound lord and the administrator or landlord of the building ( domicile lord of the whole house ) then your a happy tenant being attended.


if that particular building ( zoidion ) has an exaltation lord then that planet probably bought off the buiding ( like a Donald Trump ) and depends on the domicile lord ( the manager ) to provide anything needed to renting tenants or even the apartment owners ( bound lords ) renting them out ...if the Zoidion happens to have Trigon lords recieving it ...they are the ones most likely to fix your plumbing since Trigons happen to have an actively demonstrative nature - making things happen for good or bad .. I guess it depends on how the orders are being carried out by the conditional placements of the lords of a particular place.
点评:这个点到了擢升星的霸道地位,即如果星座拥有擢升守护,那么擢升守护是地产的真正拥有者,而宫主则是管理者,很有趣,自己可以细看。

八、Hellenistic Astrology 2: Primary Chart Rulers

卓越希腊占星学者Robert Schmidt的弟子在skyscript中回复别人的话

Now the control factor he says is through the terms (Schmidt calls them bounds, confines, limits) of the sign, because he says that the resources of the sign belong to the domicile, but how they are used have to do with the terms/bounds under which planet it is in. So optimally, a planet should be in its own domicile or exaltation, but be in the terms of a planet friendly to its cause so that it is controlled in a favorable way.
点评:非常经典的描述,宫内的资源属于宫主(宫主提供给宫内星处置),但是宫内星如何运用这些资源则属于界主的控制领域。
所以理想情况下,星体最好入庙擢升,但是在对她友好的界主控制的界区域内部。

九、最后还有很多,我就不列了,界主实际是绝对无法忽略的存在,如果忽略界主的运用,单纯讲什么金双子,火白羊的都是没有任何意义的。本篇已经比较明确的指出:
A、宫主星和宫内星是主宾关系,宫主提供他征象的资源事宜人物给宫内星处置处理,而如何处理则属于界主控制的范围
B、可以简单讲界主作为形容词,它控制和限制宫内星的运作。

风过无痕 2011年9月3日 占星 星座 笔记
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