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占星笔记——12分盘在占星中的地位和应用介绍(Dodekatemor

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转自:http://www.douban.com/note/174537239/ 一 、关于12分盘Dodekatemorion的地位介绍 1、Dodekatemorion 在这个帖子里,librafeng2010提到: “According to Mr Schmidt,whereas the lots belong to the “descending path” of the differentiation of
转自:http://www.douban.com/note/174537239/

一 、关于12分盘Dodekatemorion的地位介绍
1、Dodekatemorion
在这个帖子里,librafeng2010提到:
“According to Mr Schmidt,whereas the lots belong to the “descending path” of the differentiation of planetary powers, the twelfth-parts belong to the “ascending path” of the unification of these same powers.”

点评:这里面的twelfth-parts就是所谓的12分区间或者12分盘(一般是不重新起盘,直接应用星体的12分落点分析),希腊占星研究者Schmidt先生说过,阿拉伯点是星体力量的分解化,并降落到地球控制人类;而12分属于星体力量的联合上升化。

2、图片显示的是myspace占星论坛里,一个卓越越战老兵希腊占星爱好者,spear-bearer的关于12分盘的跟帖:


    占星笔记——12分盘在占星中的地位和应用介绍(Dodekatemor


“If the natal planets represent the ideal possibility, and the lots are the probable apportionment, then the twelfth-parts could suggest the actual outcome resulting from the determination made between the major players involved.”
点评:如果本命星体代表理想的可能性,希腊点(阿拉伯点)代表星体力量功能的分解、分配(月亮征象母亲、妻子、福德等等,而相应的包含月亮的母亲点、婚姻点、福点就是把星体力量、功能的剥离,单独研究,具体见我写的关于阿拉伯点的日记——关于希腊点(阿拉伯点,Greek lots,Arabic parts)宏观层面的描述),那么十二分盘则代表星体运作的最终输出结果。
3、Dodekatamoiria
在这片文章里,希腊占星研究者zoidsoft写到:
“The 12th harmonic is based upon the Sun / Moon synodic cycle whereas the other is based upon a simple division of the sign by 12. There are 12 synods of the Sun / Moon in a year. Every month the Moon has to make up another 30 degrees (13th sign) in it's motion to reach the Sun which has traveled 30 degrees in a month. Therefore the dodekatamoiria theoretically represent the Moon's sidereal motion, but there are 12 lunations (dwadasamsa) in a year.

Schmidt theorizes that these represent "outcomes" of the planet.”
点评:看到最后一句英文没有,希腊占星研究者Schmidt先生认为12分盘代表星体的输出结果。

 二、12分盘的图(有直观的感受)


    占星笔记——12分盘在占星中的地位和应用介绍(Dodekatemor


内圈到外圈共有四个层次,从内到外依次为:界、12分(其中一种系统)、decan以及常说的星座。

三、12分盘系统的内在机制
1、13分系统,即简单说,星座30度除以13,分成13份,第一份是星座本身,然后轮回一圈,重新回到该星座本身。比如白羊座的13个区段依次为白羊-金牛-双子-巨蟹-...-双鱼-白羊。

“Let us first explore the origins of the 13th harmonic dodekatemorion. Suppose that there is a New Moon at exactly 0° T. For the first couple of days both the Sun and the Moon are in Aries. The mean rate of travel of the Moon is 13°10'35", while the Sun moves at 0°59'8". On average the Moon will take 2 days, 6 hrs., 38 min. and 35 sec. before it enters Taurus. The Sun in that same time will move an average of 2°14'39". A thirteenth of a sign of 30° is 2°18'28". That is the <myspace>size</myspace> of a 13th harmonic type dodekatemorion. In other words at just about the same time that the Moon enters the sign Taurus, the Sun will enter the dodekatemorion of Taurus. Similarly when the Moon enters Gemini, the Sun will enter the Gemini dodekatemorion of Aries and so forth. If the relationship were perfect, the Moon would always be in the sign of the Sun's dodekatemorion. In fact whenever there is a New Moon at 0° of any sign, 1 this relationship holds for most of that month. This arises out of the natural relationship between the motions of the Sun and Moon. As one can see above, the Moon's average daily motion is a little over 13° and the Sun's average daily motion is a little under 1°.”
点评:12分系统的主流系统13th,形成机制是基于月亮相对于黄道的移动速度的,月亮日均移动13°10'35",太阳日均移动0°59'8",月亮移动速度相对太阳为13倍。
假设新月发生在0度白羊,那么月亮将花费2天6小时移动到金牛座0度(移动了30度),而同时太阳将移动 2°14'39",而星座30度的13分之一为2°18'28"约等于2°14'39"。
所以会发生这样的情况,新满月点在0度的白羊座的日月,月亮每次移动到下一个星座的0度,太阳必然会移动到白羊座对应13分区段的星座。

As one can see above, the Moon's average daily motion is a little over 13° and the Sun's average daily motion is a little under 1°.”
点评:这个就指出了12分盘的13th系统是基于日月相对黄道的平均移动速度的关系的,月亮日均移动速度为太阳的13倍。

"In the same way I believe that the 13th harmonic dodekatemorion was an idealized value for the solar motion that takes place while the Moon travels through a 30° arc. Although we have no documentary evidence for this as yet, it would seem logical that those months in which the New Moon occurs at 0° of any sign (in which the Moon sign is for the most part the dodekatemorion of the Sun as mentioned above), have some special significance. For in these months the ideal and physical universes are synchronized.
点评:For in these months the ideal and physical universes are synchronized!!!!文中提到新满月点发生在0度的月份很特殊,属于理想宇宙和现实宇宙(日月在占星中的征象之一就是分别代表理想和现实)的同步化,为什么,刚才提到的,月亮每次移动30度到下一个星座的0度,太阳对应着就会运行到本星座对应的Dodekatemorion为月亮所在星座的部分)。

2、12分系统,即简单说,星座30度除以12,分成12份,第一份是星座本身,然后走完12个星座。比如白羊座的13个区段依次为白羊-金牛-双子-巨蟹-...-双鱼。
“The dwadasamsa type has a similar origin, but it comes not from the motion of the Moon with respect to the zodiac, but from the motion of the Moon with respect to the Sun, or elongation. As we have already seen the average motion of the elongation is 12.19° per day. This is the source of the idealized lunar day or tithi of 12°. If the Moon travels 12.19° of elongation per day then the Moon will cover 30° of elongation in 2.46 days. Given that the Sun moves a bit less than 1° per day, this gives a solar motion of very close to 2°30', the value of the dwadasamsa type of dodekatemorion."”
点评:12分盘的12th系统是来源于月亮相对太阳的交角运行速度。

3、整合
“The 12th harmonic is based upon the Sun / Moon synodic cycle whereas the other is based upon a simple division of the sign by 12. There are 12 synods of the Sun / Moon in a year. Every month the Moon has to make up another 30 degrees (13th sign) in it's motion to reach the Sun which has traveled 30 degrees in a month. Therefore the dodekatamoiria theoretically represent the Moon's sidereal motion, but there are 12 lunations (dwadasamsa) in a year.
点评:一年有12个日月会合周期,每个月月亮需要多走30度(第13星座)以追赶太阳。比较困,这个就自己看了,有的时候翻译出来会很拗口,还是看英文原文能够较好体会。

所以12分盘蕴含的日月互动的内容是很有趣的,而且日月是很特殊的,两个显著的光体(日主动发光,月亮反射太阳光芒),而且太阳定义星体的燃烧和逆行,太阳永远不会被燃烧,逆行,月亮不会逆行,虽然可以被燃烧,但是记住月亮是唯一一个任何时刻速度都快于太阳的星体,可以很快逃离燃烧,其他星体逆行静止时期,速度显然慢于太阳。
此外占星中,太阳代表理想,月亮代表实际,代表现实。十二分盘也就暗喻了两者的特殊地位和互动带来的理想与现实的互动,所以为什么12分盘,希腊占星研究学者会主张他们代表星体运作的最终输出结果。


四、例子:
1、


    占星笔记——12分盘在占星中的地位和应用介绍(Dodekatemor


点评:月亮的12分如果落在本命的6宫,主盘主受伤害或者母亲社会地位的低下等等。


    占星笔记——12分盘在占星中的地位和应用介绍(Dodekatemor


点评:如果火星的12分落金星宫或者金星界或者金星擢升的星座,那么主盘主为通奸者,奸夫淫妇,乱搞的人。

五、计算软件
1、Delphic Oracle 6都可以Timaeus 8 Pro,zet9,sirius也都可以。


    占星笔记——12分盘在占星中的地位和应用介绍(Dodekatemor


六、实际应用是不需要另外起盘的,只需分析星体的12分落点在本命的位置,只是不好起名字,才叫12分盘的,我其实还是喜欢用英文原名,Dodekatemoria或者12th parts.有一些英文帖子因为Myspace被默多克搞的论坛关闭,所以无法提供原帖,现有的都是我的占星数据库中保存的。 占星 星座 笔记
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